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Been blocked on one of my mailing lists because the new admin uses the barracuda.com "reputation server". My ISP's (apparently) blameless smarthost for outgoing mail was listed. Jumped through hoops to get it "removed". That worked: well and good. Now, a week later, it's listed again.
Barracuda "honors" registrations at emailreg.org. Uh-huh. The latter wants $20 for their imprimatur. Annnd Barracuda owns (or is joined at the hip with) emailreg.org although there's a feeble attempt to conceal that fact.
A quick google show numerous opinions that Barracuda is dicey, dubious or outright fraudulent, i.e. the "reputation" server itself has a baaad reputation.
Would some knowledgeable person care to give me a brain dump on Barracuda? I think I need to get Medieval on the sys admin who's using it. Any ammo to help, please? Or any good reason why he's cool and I'm shingled off onto the fog?
Tnx, - Mike
-- Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada mspenbells...@tallwhistlesships.ca (Remove bells and whistles)
> Been blocked on one of my mailing lists because the new admin uses the > barracuda.com "reputation server". My ISP's (apparently) blameless > smarthost for outgoing mail was listed. Jumped through hoops to get it > "removed". That worked: well and good. Now, a week later, it's listed > again.
> Barracuda "honors" registrations at emailreg.org. Uh-huh. The latter > wants $20 for their imprimatur. Annnd Barracuda owns (or is joined at > the hip with) emailreg.org although there's a feeble attempt to conceal > that fact.
> A quick google show numerous opinions that Barracuda is dicey, dubious > or outright fraudulent, i.e. the "reputation" server itself has a baaad > reputation.
> Would some knowledgeable person care to give me a brain dump on > Barracuda? I think I need to get Medieval on the sys admin who's using > it. Any ammo to help, please? Or any good reason why he's cool and I'm > shingled off onto the fog?
> Tnx, > - Mike
Their data is, in my opinion, dubiously obtained. They once famously listed many of their own customers and were caught stealing data from the CBL. The Barracuda list came into being because Spamhaus, quite rightfully, made noises about Barracuda assuming it was OK to ship all units set to use the facilities of Spamhaus. Rather than doing the honourable thing and paying for that, they decided to set up their own gay little list.
The problem is Barracuda has sold well and is used throughout the world. The ins and outs of it being mostly stolen and free code put on a poor spec, cheap PC thrown into a nice looking box is neither here or there - but may give you an idea of the ethos.
If your ISP has been listed {and stating the IP would give you some credibility here, or dismiss you as a spammer} with Barracuda the process is simple for removal. You use the 'lookup' tool at barracudacentral.org, if listed this will offer the 'request removal' option. REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO DO THIS LOCK AN IP *ON* THE LIST so don't do it more than once.
If that fails then call Barracuda and raise a 'Non customer BBL case'. In fairness to Jan Gooble and Adam Light {who are the main 'front end' people of the list}, they will look at the evidence they have and be quite straight with you about the extent of it.
All of this is largely irrelevant to you, as the offending ISP who's IP is affected, will need to do it. The truth is the IP is more than likely to have been seen to send considerable spam *or* the users of Barracuda devices have tagged messages from the IP as 'SPAM' and this has been fed back into the system. I'm not sure of what the metric/threshold is for this. They do get it wrong, but they will listen and will speak to people who call them. They are unlike *many* other faceless anti-spam organisation in that respect.
That's the objective view. My personal view is they are a bunch of shitstabbing shysters who have made bucks on the back of thieving other peoples work, cobbling it together in a crap box, and selling it to twonks who don't know better.
-- political correctness: The safety net protecting deaf blind disabled ethnic minority gays & lesbians with odd religious beliefs from reality
> Been blocked on one of my mailing lists because the new admin uses the > barracuda.com "reputation server". My ISP's (apparently) blameless > smarthost for outgoing mail was listed. Jumped through hoops to get > it "removed". That worked: well and good. Now, a week later, it's > listed again.
It is better to pass the problem on to the users of the device. Send a mail message from some other server informing the users at addresses that bounced that they will no longer receive your valuable mail because their mail is being filtered by a Barracuda device, and advise them to contact the IT department / their ISP to resolve the issue.
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:23 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz ate alphabet spaghetti and shat out:
> In <87r5sdtt1n....@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, on 11/05/2009 > at 05:58 AM, Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> said:
>>From: Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
> If you mong, please use the invalid TLD, which is designated for the > purpose in the current Usenet drafts.
>>Been blocked on one of my mailing lists because the new admin uses the >>barracuda.com "reputation server".
> I can't address the question of their server, but their appliance used > to come configured to spam, and they blew off complaints for years.
That's how Barracuda customers got CBL listed last year :-) Those backscatter 'your spam message was blocked' mails were going to forged senders, as could be expected. The CBL picked up this misconfiguration when seen and listed the Barracuda customers IP. The Barracuda list then imported this CBL data and the offending Barracuda customers were not only on the CBL, but the Barracuda reputation list. NICE :-)
-- political correctness: The safety net protecting deaf blind disabled ethnic minority gays & lesbians with odd religious beliefs from reality
Spamtastic Spastic <n...@null.org> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:58:35 +0000, Mike Spencer ate alphabet spaghetti > and shat out:
>> Been blocked on one of my mailing lists because the new admin uses the >> barracuda.com "reputation server". My ISP's (apparently) blameless >> smarthost for outgoing mail was listed.
> [snip]
> If your ISP has been listed {and stating the IP would give you some > credibility here, or dismiss you as a spammer}...
24.222.77.233, official smarthost for Tallships.ca & GLinx.com, in 24.222.77.0/24 leased from Eastlink.ca's 24.222.0.0/16. Eastlink is Tallships' upstream but 24.222.77.233 is operated by Tallships/Glinx, not Eastlink.
> The problem is Barracuda has sold well and is used throughout the > world.
Oy. Pits. If "everybody does it" it must be righteous, eh? Feh.
> ...with Barracuda the process is simple for removal. You use the > 'lookup' tool at barracudacentral.org, if listed this will offer the > 'request removal' option. REPEATED ATTEMPTS TO DO THIS LOCK AN IP > *ON* THE LIST so don't do it more than once.
Oh, great! What a clever move. :-\
> That's the objective view. My personal view is they are a bunch of > shitstabbing shysters who have made bucks on the back of thieving > other peoples work, cobbling it together in a crap box, and selling > it to twonks who don't know better.
Ah, so. Thanks for the pointers and objective details as well as the personal view.
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:14 +0000, Mike Spencer ate alphabet spaghetti and shat out:
> 24.222.77.233,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TYPE: single IP 24.222.77.233 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 24.222.77.233 clear in local 24.222.77.233 clear in b.barracudacentral.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in zen.spamhaus.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl.sorbs.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in aspews.ext.sorbs.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in l1.apews.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in l2.apews.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in cbl.abuseat.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in bl.spamcop.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl-2.uceprotect.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl-3.uceprotect.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in multi.uribl.com. 24.222.77.233 clear in no-more-funn.moensted.dk. 24.222.77.233 clear in bl.spamcannibal.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in blackholes.mail-abuse.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl.njabl.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in multi.surbl.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in ix.dnsbl.manitu.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in rddn.dnsbl.net.au. 24.222.77.233 clear in rhsbl.ahbl.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in rhsbl.sorbs.net.
LOOKING UP PTR RECORD(S) FOR (24.222.77.233)
> garrett.glinx.com.
Not seeing that listed at this time, has the end user of the Barracuda set up some custom rule to block you, or have you done the removal fandango? -- political correctness: The safety net protecting deaf blind disabled ethnic minority gays & lesbians with odd religious beliefs from reality
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:14 +0000, Mike Spencer ate alphabet spaghetti and shat out:
> 24.222.77.233,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TYPE: single IP 24.222.77.233 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 24.222.77.233 clear in local 24.222.77.233 clear in b.barracudacentral.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in zen.spamhaus.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in spam.dnsbl.sorbs.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl.sorbs.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in aspews.ext.sorbs.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in l1.apews.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in l2.apews.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in cbl.abuseat.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in bl.spamcop.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl-2.uceprotect.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl-3.uceprotect.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in multi.uribl.com. 24.222.77.233 clear in no-more-funn.moensted.dk. 24.222.77.233 clear in bl.spamcannibal.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in blackholes.mail-abuse.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in dnsbl.njabl.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in multi.surbl.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in ix.dnsbl.manitu.net. 24.222.77.233 clear in rddn.dnsbl.net.au. 24.222.77.233 clear in rhsbl.ahbl.org. 24.222.77.233 clear in rhsbl.sorbs.net.
LOOKING UP PTR RECORD(S) FOR (24.222.77.233)
> garrett.glinx.com.
Not seeing that listed at this time, has the end user of the Barracuda set up some custom rule to block you, or have you done the removal fandango? -- political correctness: The safety net protecting deaf blind disabled ethnic minority gays & lesbians with odd religious beliefs from reality
Spamtastic Spastic <n...@null.org> wrote: > TYPE: single IP 24.222.77.233 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 24.222.77.233 clear in local > 24.222.77.233 clear in b.barracudacentral.org. > 24.222.77.233 clear in zen.spamhaus.org. > [snip more "clear in..."]
> Not seeing that listed at this time, has the end user of the Barracuda > set up some custom rule to block you, or have you done the removal > fandango?
About the time I last posted, my ISP's admin was doing that or some related fandango. He alleges suspected malicious action of some kind to generate the Barracuda listing. I don't know how that would work (other than by the "shitstabbing shysters" themselves.) The "end user of the Barracuda" increased to two: One guy running dozens of mailing lists and one big provider (uniserve.ca). Neither has a custom rule to block me or my ISP AFAIK.
Now we wait a few hours or days to see if it's fixed or not.
>On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:23 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz ate alphabet >spaghetti and shat out:
>> In <87r5sdtt1n....@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, on 11/05/2009 >> at 05:58 AM, Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> said:
>>>From: Mike Spencer <m...@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>
>> If you mong, please use the invalid TLD, which is designated for the >> purpose in the current Usenet drafts.
>>>Been blocked on one of my mailing lists because the new admin uses the >>>barracuda.com "reputation server".
>> I can't address the question of their server, but their appliance used >> to come configured to spam, and they blew off complaints for years.
>That's how Barracuda customers got CBL listed last year :-) Those >backscatter 'your spam message was blocked' mails were going to forged >senders, as could be expected. The CBL picked up this misconfiguration >when seen and listed the Barracuda customers IP. The Barracuda list then >imported this CBL data and the offending Barracuda customers were not >only on the CBL, but the Barracuda reputation list. NICE :-)
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