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I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I easily could have fallen into.
In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police officer in Los Angeles.
I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation was heading.
I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found not guilty by the jury.
(I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in this way.
samsloan wrote: > I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I > easily could have fallen into.
> In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
> QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is > similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
> Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became > suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I > found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police > officer in Los Angeles.
> I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be > from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou > China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
> Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation > was heading.
> I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that > many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster > who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one > and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found > not guilty by the jury.
> (I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
> What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in > Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially > object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in > this way.
> Sam Sloan
On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I > easily could have fallen into.
> In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
> QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is > similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
> Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became > suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I > found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police > officer in Los Angeles.
> I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be > from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou > China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
> Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation > was heading.
> I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that > many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster > who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one > and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found > not guilty by the jury.
> (I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
> What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in > Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially > object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in > this way.
> Sam Sloan
What is the undercover agent soliciting or proposing?
Just one minute after posting I was contacted by the same Undercover Police Officer in Los Angeles, but this time posing as a gay man wanting a homosexual relationship.
I immediately hit the Police Icon on QQ and reported it. I also told him that I know who he is and not to contact me again.
On Nov 6, 2:04 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I > easily could have fallen into.
> In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
> QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is > similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
> Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became > suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I > found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police > officer in Los Angeles.
> I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be > from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou > China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
> Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation > was heading.
> I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that > many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster > who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one > and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found > not guilty by the jury.
> (I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
> What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in > Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially > object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in > this way.
> I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I > easily could have fallen into.
> In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
> QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is > similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
> Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became > suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I > found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police > officer in Los Angeles.
> I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be > from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou > China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
> Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation > was heading.
> I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that > many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster > who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one > and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found > not guilty by the jury.
> (I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
> What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in > Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially > object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in > this way.
> On Nov 6, 2:04 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I > > easily could have fallen into.
> > In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
> > QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is > > similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
> > Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became > > suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I > > found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police > > officer in Los Angeles.
> > I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be > > from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou > > China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
> > Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation > > was heading.
> > I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that > > many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster > > who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one > > and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found > > not guilty by the jury.
> > (I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
> > What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in > > Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially > > object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in > > this way.
> > Sam Sloan
> What is the undercover agent soliciting or proposing?
Here is one of the letters he/she sent when he was posing as a 16 year old girl. Note that it is not obvious at first that this is a trap:
★儍妞〓せ界 to me
show details 8:04 AM (6 hours ago)
Hello: My name is: ZHENG Si-lei ........ I live in Meizhou, Guangdong, China I am a middle school student, I am 16 years old ....... My English is not very good, the use of online translator to contact with you, please do not mind .... My phone a good code is: 13,549,874,051 Phone: 642,035 There is please contact me and I want to go to the U.S., but I'm just a student! Family was not very good ....... Please reply ........
On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > cruising the internet for pedophiles.
I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in China.
If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch Chinese over in China.
You cannot see the mistake because it was on the QQ address in China.
Basically the profile of the person at first said that she was a girl. A few minutes later it changed to a boy. The person contacted me six times in a matter of a few minutes, perhaps forgetting that he/she had just contacted me a few minutes earlier under a different persona.
I have blocked that person from contacting me again, the first time I have ever blocked anybody.
Unfortunately, when I blocked the person the messages and all the headers disappeared too and I cannot recover them.
Here is another message from the same person. Again, it is not immediately apparent that this was a Sting operation. I might as well give you the address too. You can contact this person, but if you get arrested do not blame me: ★儍妞〓せ界 <229529...@qq.com>:
★儍妞〓せ界 to me show details 8:49 AM (7 hours ago)
Thank you for your kindness, What sort of person you are very good! My age may surprise you. But this is true I am. I told you not so understanding. Perhaps you have a deep desire to touch my young mind! I do not know you right in the extraordinary views of ... My own study is not so good! But I think a person of your dreams should strive to achieve, even with the number of wind and rain, if you do not mind me, if you are willing to teach me what you can do in English ....... Would you been to China? I was born in rural areas, Is also well-educated, Hair photos you can come? I wish you: Fast every day!
samsloan wrote: > On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > China.
> If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > Chinese over in China.
> Sam Sloan
No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> samsloan wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> > I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> > Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > > China.
> > If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > > Chinese over in China.
> > Sam Sloan
> No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant > difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech > and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to > catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is troubling.
The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los Angeles, California.
The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States share ....."
He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
samsloan wrote: > On Nov 6, 5:04 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> samsloan wrote: >>> On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between >>>> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively >>>> cruising the internet for pedophiles. >>> I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly. >>> Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account >>> pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in >>> China. >>> If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a >>> Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that >>> the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch >>> Chinese over in China. >>> Sam Sloan >> No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant >> difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech >> and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to >> catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is > troubling.
> The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
> If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los > Angeles, California.
> The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States > share ....."
> He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
> Sam Sloan
That's what they do when trying to catch pedophiles. More power to them. :-)
On Nov 6, 5:28 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> That's what they do when trying to catch pedophiles. More power to them. > :-)
Let me guess: You are not a member of the American Civil Liberties Union.
Another clue that this is a sting operation and not a fair damsel in distress is the fake broken English.
The online profile of this person says that the primary language is English.
You would never know it from the letters in broken English I have been receiving from this address.
This person is obviously using the Babelfish Online Chinese English Translator at http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
The person types in English and Babelfish translates it in to Chinese.
Then the person takes the Chinese and has it translated back to English.
The result is the broken English letters that I have been getting.
That plus the person writing this time as a male asked me in obscene language to provide a picture of my penis, then changed back to a cute but distressed female a few minutes later.
I am surprised that you find nothing wrong with a police department doing this.
samsloan wrote: > On Nov 6, 5:28 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> That's what they do when trying to catch pedophiles. More power to them. >> :-)
> Let me guess: You are not a member of the American Civil Liberties > Union.
I have been, but am not at present.
> Another clue that this is a sting operation and not a fair damsel in > distress is the fake broken English.
Yup. It's a sting to catch pedophiles. As long as it doesn't involve legal entrapment--it's OK by me.
> The online profile of this person says that the primary language is > English.
> You would never know it from the letters in broken English I have been > receiving from this address.
> This person is obviously using the Babelfish Online Chinese English > Translator at > http://babelfish.yahoo.com/
> The person types in English and Babelfish translates it in to Chinese.
> Then the person takes the Chinese and has it translated back to > English.
> The result is the broken English letters that I have been getting.
> That plus the person writing this time as a male asked me in obscene > language to provide a picture of my penis, then changed back to a cute > but distressed female a few minutes later.
> I am surprised that you find nothing wrong with a police department > doing this.
What I find "wrong" is that the police department appears to have assigned an incompetent to do this job.
> On Nov 6, 2:04 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I want to warn readers here about an Internet police trap that I > > easily could have fallen into.
> > In the last few hours I have received three emails from a QQ address.
> > QQ is an Internet instant messaging group based in China which is > > similar to AOL's AIM, the AOL Instant messenger.
> > Because of a mistake in the third message I received, I became > > suspicious. I was able to trace down the source of the emails and I > > found out that the emails actually came from an undercover police > > officer in Los Angeles.
> > I was suspicious from the beginning because the emails claimed to be > > from a poorly educated 16 year old girl in a rural area near Guangzhou > > China who has a bad family life and wants to come to America.
> > Actually, it was not that obvious but this was where the conversation > > was heading.
> > I doubt that I would have fallen into the trap, but I am sure that > > many men will fall for lines like this one. Even a chess grandmaster > > who should have known better fell into an Internet sting like this one > > and faced life imprisonment a few years ago, but fortunately was found > > not guilty by the jury.
> > (I will not repeat the name of that person but everybody knows it.)
> > What makes my case different is that they were using a server based in > > Mainland China. I think that the Chinese authorities should officially > > object and protest to the Los Angeles police using their servers in > > this way.
> You cannot see the mistake because it was on the QQ address in China.
> Basically the profile of the person at first said that she was a girl. > A few minutes later it changed to a boy. The person contacted me six > times in a matter of a few minutes, perhaps forgetting that he/she had > just contacted me a few minutes earlier under a different persona.
> I have blocked that person from contacting me again, the first time I > have ever blocked anybody.
> Unfortunately, when I blocked the person the messages and all the > headers disappeared too and I cannot recover them.
> Here is another message from the same person. Again, it is not > immediately apparent that this was a Sting operation. I might as well > give you the address too. You can contact this person, but if you get > arrested do not blame me: > ★儍妞〓せ界 <229529...@qq.com>:
> ★儍妞〓せ界 to me > show details 8:49 AM (7 hours ago)
> Thank you for your kindness, > What sort of person you are very good! > My age may surprise you. But this is true I am. I told you not so > understanding. Perhaps you have a deep desire to touch my young mind! > I do not know you right in the extraordinary views of ... > My own study is not so good! But I think a person of your dreams > should strive to achieve, even with the number of wind and rain, if > you do not mind me, if you are willing to teach me what you can do in > English ....... > Would you been to China? > I was born in rural areas, > Is also well-educated, > Hair photos you can come? > I wish you: > Fast every day!
On Nov 6, 2:20 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Just one minute after posting I was contacted by the same Undercover Police Officer in Los Angeles, but this time posing as a gay man wanting a homosexual relationship. --SS
Direct him to Phil IMnes, he'll fix him up with Paul Morphy.
On Nov 6, 6:42 pm, ltlee1 <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2:23 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The undercover police officer has just contacted me three more times.
> > Here is what he IMed me (Can you read Chihese)
> > Zhang Si Lei Male Calif. 2:20:13 PM > > 死人的照片.
> "Photo of the deceased."
Right, and directly under this Chinese statement meaning "Photo of the deceased" there was a picture of me.
I have a webcam because everybody in China seems to have one, and when this undercover agent first contacted me through his webcam I accepted the call.
He then was able to take my picture.
When I realized what kind of call it was, I closed the line. He then emailed my picture and the words in Chinese below the picture "Photo of the deceased."
This could be interpreted as a death threat, but there is nothing I can do about it.
> On Nov 6, 5:04 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > samsloan wrote: > > > On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > >> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > > >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > > >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> > > I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> > > Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > > > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > > > China.
> > > If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > > > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > > > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > > > Chinese over in China.
> > > Sam Sloan
> > No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant > > difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech > > and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to > > catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is > troubling.
> The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
> If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los > Angeles, California.
> The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States > share ....."
> He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
> Sam Sloan
Remember I told you that 229529284 was an undercover police agent. Take a look at him/her now. Yesterday, he/she was a female aged 1. Today, he/she is a male aged 15.
> On Nov 6, 5:16 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 5:04 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > samsloan wrote: > > > > On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > >> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > > > >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > > > >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> > > > I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> > > > Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > > > > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > > > > China.
> > > > If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > > > > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > > > > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > > > > Chinese over in China.
> > > > Sam Sloan
> > > No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant > > > difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech > > > and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to > > > catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> > Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is > > troubling.
> > The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
> > If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los > > Angeles, California.
> > The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States > > share ....."
> > He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
> > Sam Sloan
> Remember I told you that 229529284 was an undercover police agent. > Take a look at him/her now. Yesterday, he/she was a female aged 1. > Today, he/she is a male aged 15.
The undercover agent also sends emails from the address:
The way I caught him/her is that zheng6425231 @ qq.com is the same address as 229529284 @ qq.com
The first address sends emails from a gay man who wants to see pictures of my cock. The second address sends emails from a poorly educated innocent girl from a remote area of China who wants to escape to the United States.
> On Nov 7, 3:38 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 5:16 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 5:04 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > > samsloan wrote: > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > > > > >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > > > > >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> > > > > I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> > > > > Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > > > > > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > > > > > China.
> > > > > If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > > > > > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > > > > > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > > > > > Chinese over in China.
> > > > > Sam Sloan
> > > > No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant > > > > difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech > > > > and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to > > > > catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> > > Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is > > > troubling.
> > > The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
> > > If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los > > > Angeles, California.
> > > The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States > > > share ....."
> > > He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
> > > Sam Sloan
> > Remember I told you that 229529284 was an undercover police agent. > > Take a look at him/her now. Yesterday, he/she was a female aged 1. > > Today, he/she is a male aged 15.
> The undercover agent also sends emails from the address:
> The way I caught him/her is that zheng6425231 @ qq.com is the same > address as 229529284 @ qq.com
> The first address sends emails from a gay man who wants to see > pictures of my cock. > The second address sends emails from a poorly educated innocent girl > from a remote area of China who wants to escape to the United States.
> Yes, they are both the same person.
Guangzhou/Guangdong is the city we traditionally know as Canton, is it not? It is hardly a "remote" area. What Sam reports seems like a setup using obviously false information in order to entice him, depending on which way one supposes his sexuality runs wild. I wonder if there is a Freedom of Information Act pertaining to governmental entities in California. What do they "know" about Sam -- or what information do police in California have, purporting to represent his activities?
Several months ago, a foul-mouthed fussbudget VoR, posting from binghamton.net, posted openly a threat to the sanctity of Sam's family. When I told the harridan off for such behavior, she(?) railed against me for supporting Sam Sloan and claimed that I must therefore be fired from my government job. Of course I never indicated support for Sam in VoR's personal affray with Sam. I simply disagreed with VoR's attitude and position.
I addressed my personal concern to ab...@binghamton.net but never received a response.
> > > > > >> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > > > > > >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > > > > > >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> > > > > > I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> > > > > > Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > > > > > > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > > > > > > China.
> > > > > > If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > > > > > > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > > > > > > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > > > > > > Chinese over in China.
> > > > > > Sam Sloan
> > > > > No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant > > > > > difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech > > > > > and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to > > > > > catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> > > > Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is > > > > troubling.
> > > > The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
> > > > If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los > > > > Angeles, California.
> > > > The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States > > > > share ....."
> > > > He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
> > > > Sam Sloan
> > > Remember I told you that 229529284 was an undercover police agent. > > > Take a look at him/her now. Yesterday, he/she was a female aged 1. > > > Today, he/she is a male aged 15.
> > The undercover agent also sends emails from the address:
> > The way I caught him/her is that zheng6425231 @ qq.com is the same > > address as 229529284 @ qq.com
> > The first address sends emails from a gay man who wants to see > > pictures of my cock. > > The second address sends emails from a poorly educated innocent girl > > from a remote area of China who wants to escape to the United States.
> > Yes, they are both the same person.
> Guangzhou/Guangdong is the city we traditionally know as Canton, is it > not? It is hardly a "remote" area. What Sam reports seems like a > setup using obviously false information in order to entice him, > depending on which way one supposes his sexuality runs wild. I wonder > if there is a Freedom of Information Act pertaining to governmental > entities in California. What do they "know" about Sam -- or what > information do police in California have, purporting to represent his > activities?
> Several months ago, a foul-mouthed fussbudget VoR, posting from > binghamton.net, posted openly a threat to the sanctity of Sam's > family. When I told the harridan off for such behavior, she(?) railed > against me for supporting Sam Sloan and claimed that I must therefore > be fired from my government job. Of course I never indicated support > for Sam in VoR's personal affray with Sam. I simply disagreed with > VoR's attitude and position.
> I addressed my personal concern to ab...@binghamton.net but never > received a response.
> David Ames
Thank you for your observations.
The female persona says that she is from Guangdong Province, a large province of which Guangzhou in the capital. She could easily be from a remote village in Guangdong Province.
While I was in China I learned that the vast majority of marriages between American men and Chinese girls occur in Guangzhou. In fact, the US Embassy now has a rule. If you want to apply to bring your new wife to America, you must file the application with the US Consulate in Guangzhou. You cannot even file it in Beijing any more.
I do not believe that this undercover agent is targeting me in particular. If he had been going especially after me he would have been a lot more careful at concealing his identity. I think he is probably targeting any American who is on http://imqq.com At this very moment there are 58 million users online with QQ but very few of them are Americans and he probably found me through a scan.
A big problem with QQ is a lot of users send porn pictures of their supposed selves. AOL bans such people immediately. It seems that QQ is not as good as getting rid of these people.
> I have a webcam because everybody in China seems to have one, and when > this undercover agent first contacted me through his webcam I accepted > the call.
> He then was able to take my picture.
> When I realized what kind of call it was, I closed the line. He then > emailed my picture and the words in Chinese below the picture "Photo > of the deceased."
> This could be interpreted as a death threat, but there is nothing I > can do about it.
> On Nov 6, 5:16 pm, samsloan <samhsl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 5:04 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > samsloan wrote: > > > > On Nov 6, 2:12 pm, MrVidmar <vid...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > >> On the contrary, I think this is a sign of fruitful cooperation between > > > >> governments, if anything. I'm glad that law enforcement is pro-actively > > > >> cruising the internet for pedophiles.
> > > > I doubt that you have thought this through very clearly.
> > > > Suppose instead that it was the Chinese Police using an AOL account > > > > pretending to be Americans so as to catch Chinese dissidents over in > > > > China.
> > > > If you think that the Los Angeles Police should be able to use a > > > > Mainland Chinese sever to catch Americans, then you should agree that > > > > the Chinese Police can use AOL , MSN and similar services to catch > > > > Chinese over in China.
> > > > Sam Sloan
> > > No, I've thought it through very well. There is a significant > > > difference between using the police power of the state to stifle speech > > > and dissent within a society and using the police power of the state to > > > catch out pedophiles. That you do not discern the distinction is troubling.
> > Sorry, but the fact that you do not discern the similarity is > > troubling.
> > The QQ address of the fake female is 229529284
> > If you check that profile right now, it will say Female Age 1 Los > > Angeles, California.
> > The profile also says, "Like drama escape to the United States > > share ....."
> > He/she shifts back from boy to girl to boy trying to catch somebody.
> > Sam Sloan
> Remember I told you that 229529284 was an undercover police agent. > Take a look at him/her now. Yesterday, he/she was a female aged 1. > Today, he/she is a male aged 15.
The undercover police officer has just contacted me again, this time using a gmail address based on the same QQ address.
However, the original QQ address of 229529284 has been blocked by QQ, perhaps because of my complaints to QQ or even because of my postings here.
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