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 Más opciones 26 oct 2009, 15:44
Grupos de noticias: soc.culture.china, soc.culture.korean, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.japan, soc.culture.taiwan
De: "Supertech" <ejeo...@gmail.com>
Fecha: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:16 -0500
Local: Lun 26 oct 2009 15:44
Asunto: Language and ethnic origin of Korean and Japanese
What is well known in Asian history is that the royalties of Baekje, after
the collapse of its dynasty by Shilla and Tang coalition, fled to Japan,
formed a group named Yamato faction and established the unified Japan state
in and around 4-5 century AD( about the same time Attila the Hun conquered
Western Europe).

Naturally, Korean originated Baekje Kingship started the Emperor family of
Japan. Also, naturally, they have ample ground to grind axes toward the
Shilla ruled Korean state and also toward China as you may have seen in the
recent modern history. The Buyeo tribal kingship was the originator of
Koguryo and Baekje dynasty in the beginning.

In all of the Korean history text books, Japan has been consistently
referred to as being midgets, half naked and barbarous people, therefore,
being a ruler of Japan was not that much of a glory to those fled to Japan,
neither to the perception of  the Shilla people. These inferior complex can
manifest itself anytime with violence if proper chances are given with guns
and a little bit of early modern technology.

This was the only major historical involvement of Japan and Korea. There is
no prior Japon influence toward the northern Asia. It didn't happen.

Note the center of the worldwide conquetorial expansion of the
Koguryo(Buyeo) people started in and around northern BaekDu mountain and in
and around the 4th century AD.

It reached England to the far west by Attila the Hun and to the far east to
Japan by Yamato.

But they were all the same people.

They called collectively themselves as Hun or Han, meaning BIG and great.
Koreans still call themselves Dae Han(Hun) Min Kuk (great Hun people's
nation).

"KLange" <KLa...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c0ad6189-3dee-4aad-99a6-a72806d7dac0@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

>I have heard it said that some linguists have stated that the limited
> evidence available indicates that the extinct  language of Goguryeo is
> cognate with Old Japanese, but not related with the Korean language
> which derived from that of Silla. Also, it's been said that the two
> states of Goguryeo and Baekje were both descended from the old state
> of Buyeo, and that Baekje not only has ethnic similarities with
> Goguryeo but also has extensive ties with Japan, and as a result, the
> states of Goguryo, Baekje were speculated to have been old Japonic
> states, in addition to Yamato Japan. Whereas modern Korea derived from
> Silla, which is ethnically more distant.

> On the other hand, linguists who disagree with the theory states that
> toponymes (place names) found in the central part of Korean peninsula
> may not be of Goguryeo origin,  but instead a previous substratum
> language of the central and southern part of Korean peninsula, namely
> a indigenous Japonic lanuage present in prehistoric times. Some proof
> of this argument are as follows.
> None of the Japanese-like toponymes have been found in northern Korea
> or south-west Manchuria where the historical homeland of Buyeo and
> Goguryeo were situated.
> Also, some Japanese-like toponymes (such as Japanese-like numeral
> found in historical homeland of Silla) are also found in southern
> Korea.

> What are your opinions on the matter?
"KLange" <KLa...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:c0ad6189-3dee-4aad-99a6-a72806d7dac0@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>I have heard it said that some linguists have stated that the limited
> evidence available indicates that the extinct  language of Goguryeo is
> cognate with Old Japanese, but not related with the Korean language
> which derived from that of Silla. Also, it's been said that the two
> states of Goguryeo and Baekje were both descended from the old state
> of Buyeo, and that Baekje not only has ethnic similarities with
> Goguryeo but also has extensive ties with Japan, and as a result, the
> states of Goguryo, Baekje were speculated to have been old Japonic
> states, in addition to Yamato Japan. Whereas modern Korea derived from
> Silla, which is ethnically more distant.

> On the other hand, linguists who disagree with the theory states that
> toponymes (place names) found in the central part of Korean peninsula
> may not be of Goguryeo origin,  but instead a previous substratum
> language of the central and southern part of Korean peninsula, namely
> a indigenous Japonic lanuage present in prehistoric times. Some proof
> of this argument are as follows.
> None of the Japanese-like toponymes have been found in northern Korea
> or south-west Manchuria where the historical homeland of Buyeo and
> Goguryeo were situated.
> Also, some Japanese-like toponymes (such as Japanese-like numeral
> found in historical homeland of Silla) are also found in southern
> Korea.

> What are your opinions on the matter?


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